Coffee Chat

Agassiz 411

Setting the record straight to in order to get on the same page

The purpose behind this page is two-fold; to ensure people are correctly informed, and to further the need for communication. It may be open to ruffle some feathers, but please remember this project can only be realistic with insightful research, calculated baby steps, and positive and informed rationale.

Hold on tight & enjoy the ride!

March 6, 2010 Agassiz

Most recent media

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/agassiz-ski-hopes-revive-81060402.html

Writer: Geoff Kirbyson, Winnipeg Free Press January 9, 2010

We all progress with communication.

"Being on the same page!"

See recently offered new page;

SUMMER 2010

for up-coming summer projects in the region.

(March 11, 2010) With the end of the local ski season peoples' minds begin thinking of the beach. Difficult to get people enthusiastic talking about Agassiz’s redevelopment while they’re sitting on the beach on a hot summer day!

 

It wasn’t that long ago (June 2008) that Parks noted in the Free Press that the rehabilitation plan had been approved by Parliament and those were the marching orders for the next five years. Even if investors were to come forward, a ski hill proposal would not be considered.

 

Well, if you’ve kept up, a feasibility study will eventually be in the works (was first set for completion March 2010) with consideration to the ski hill operation due to Parks learning there’s still tremendous amount of interest in skiing at Mount Agassiz.

 

We have found it frustrating with these changes in direction in light of the consultations that are said to have taken place that directed Parks to eliminate Agassiz’s future use in this current Management Plan. Can it be that it took this long to realize that rehabilitation of the site would be extensive, evasive, and extremely costly; with no future generated value or benefits to the communities or our recreational health?

 

With the changing of the seasons, we further await communication on the possibilities for the ski area. As we feel the direction has simply gone full circle you can only wait and see.

 

We only hope it be sooner than later.

(March 10, 2010) With last night’s rain and the forecast of continuing warm weather figure this will be the last weekend to get any slidin’ action here in Manitoba.

Usually, by mid-March the ski season does wrap up, as even if there is still ‘snow in them hills’ folks start to think summer activity or head out west for some great spring skiing in the Rockies. In saying that, SO DO WE!!

There will be no “daily” Chats as of Friday, yet we wish to continue the momentum with a weekly update being posted every Wednesday.

If you’re around Banff / Canmore between this Friday and May 15^th look us up (Mobile  204 - 802-1458 or Canmore  403 - 678-4730) or grab us at one of the resorts. Always a hoot skiing with Manitoban’s in the mountains and there’s always a fun group of us! Many Manitobans’ have been “trans-planted” and now living in Canmore.

In the meantime, between now and Friday, we’ll offer our prospective on these efforts to redevelop Agassiz as both a ski resort and a recreational center, and let you in on some exciting developments planned for the region this summer.

(March 9, 2010) When it comes to financial aspects of redeveloping Agassiz and potential revenues that it can generate we remain pretty quiet about at present. We can tell you, with many considerations including the weather, school and group prospects, season pass usage, other observations, and much more, we estimate Agassiz could have generated just under 900k (excluding season pass holders) since the Riel Day long weekend. This factors in only ski/snowboard visitors and relative food and beverage (no alternative activity visitors with food / beverage / rentals / functions). Two factors also note Sundays are commonly NOT a busy ski day, as well; schools and groups are most booked for early Feb. to mid-March due to Manitoba’s January’s norms.

 

This does not account to what could have been generated in the hospitality and service businesses outside the ski area. It’s been nearly 10 years such opportunity has been lost…go figure!

Further, deeming success being 1, maybe 2 buses on a weekend day would be an understatement from a city the size of Winnipeg. Imagine the proximity of Agassiz from Winnipeg may attract 4-8 buses per weekend. Now look to Brandon and Dauphin.

In other “Chat”…the derelict Ski Patrol Shack has been removed from the area as well as tables and chairs from the lounge. Appears someone was able to “walk out” of the main building and beyond the gate with 1 of 2 drink machines this past November. Notably, some effort could have been put in to clean up some of the obvious broken glass and the buildings further secured for safety considerations. Some snowmobiling has been taking place inside the area yet the only damage they can cause will be to themselves.

 

March 6, 2010 Lounge at Agassiz

At Agassiz over the past weekend, one young fellow (all of 7 years old, from McCreary) said it best; “this is a complete shame it’s been left to come to this much damage. My friends and me (I) would be here every chance we got. This would be unreal.” Pretty adult observation for a 7 year old, and yes, it is unreal.

In further conversation with tourism folks, it is incorrect to suggest that the ski resorts out west are not doing well based on hotel vacancies. The Brits, Americans, and Europeans are simply not filling the rooms as they once did, yet the resorts are as busy as in the past in that the locals are also not travelling long distances at this time and simply frequenting the resorts within a one-day demographic. The Park Gate at Banff is overwhelmed with locals 7-days a week this year.

 

March 7, 2010 - Sammi after his triump of the pitch at Agassiz.

(March 8, 2010) That was what could be called an Epic Weekend to be outside in Manitoba.

This past weekend we had planned to do some footage at Agassiz on Saturday, and then ski at Minnedosa Sunday. Agassiz was such a great adventure we did both days there!

Our tourism consultant had brought out “world-travelers”; Sammi from Australia, and Yumala from France via Germany. For Sammi, it was his first time on skis in 10 years with Yumala having her first ever shot on skis. They both did great considering the deep, wet snow was like skiing knee deep through mashed potatoes. They couldn’t get enough yet we had other regional adventures to gather their prospective, which included a visit to a local farm to check out calving, elk, and the rural way of life. The cameras were clicking fast & furious…amazing the excitement of things we take for common, but can guess there’s little opportunity to get up close to a calf or elk in Paris or Munich.

In staying several nights at the log chalet complex (on the Park boundary) they, and us all, were blown away with star glazing and a spectacular showing of the Northern Lights…with coyotes screaming in the distance. The night was capped off with some thrilling snowmobiling. Again, activities we somewhat take for granted were “first experiences” for Sammi and Yumala.

Tired and still revving over Saturday, we journeyed again by snow shoe to the top of Agassiz with equipment and toboggans in tow. Think they had a blast coming down? Right, and so warm only in t-shirts!

Today (Monday) they will further explore the Clear Lake area and we’ll cap it off next weekend in meeting Yumala in Banff…for her second skiing experience.

Plenty of high-quality filming was done of their adventure and their enthusiasm captured. After editing we’ll get it all up on skiagassiz.com  .

Needless to say, they were awestruck with Agassiz and the entire experience.

 EPIC !

Much more of their observations later in coming Coffee Chats.

 

               (March 6, 2010)           

New activities add to

National Park Experience

In October 2008, about 25 people from across Canada, representing a full range of stakeholder opinion, including AMPPE, were invited by Parks Canada to meet in Mt. Tremblant, Quebec to discuss the merit of new activities in Canada's national parks.

This initiative was in response to Parks Canada's Management Bulletin 2.6.10, Recreational Activity and Special Event Assessments. This bulletin was issued in January 2008 and is a real step in the right direction. And yet, more than two years later nothing has actually publicly moved forward.

The meeting in Mt. Tremblant focused on whether or not the activities of zip-lining, via ferrata, and canopy touring were appropriate as new events for the national parks. After three days in working groups, including an afternoon enjoying a via ferrata course, the group approved these three activities as suitable for Canada's national parks. However, approval has not been given nationally from the Parks Canada Agency in Ottawa.

 

Click here… TreeTop Trekking Article

(Courtesy Joanne Richard and Sun Media, Toronto)

New activities present sensitivities for some factions who have input into the decision process. The diverse Mt.Tremblant group acted responsibly in considering all points of view and established criteria for new activities as set out in a list of conditions that would ensure that the new activities are appropriate for a national-park setting.

The criteria state that any activity must be focused on learning and present every participant with an experience that enhances learning about the ecosystem in which the activity is located. It must also present the messages that are specific to national parks.

In summary, the recommendations from the group were based on a consensus that new activities could be a significant factor in increasing awareness about the national park experience.

They would also add to the national park experience and attract new people to our parks, much like the tubing park at Mount Norquay has accomplished so successfully this winter. People want to do, not just "see" during their vacations.

( We noted this and photo in a recent Coffee Chat at skiagassiz.com).

Above: New Tubing Park at Banff Mt. Norquay...great addition to the resort and getting a super response. (Coffee Chat observation, Feb.8, 2010). 

There are examples of these activities in many parts of the world, notably Ziptrek Ecotours in Whistler and New Zealand and the via ferrata course in Mt.Tremblant Provincial Park in Quebec. These are examples of doing it right.

We have several potential opportunities for these new activities in Banff National Park and the time is right to offer something new to visitors that will serve to educate as well as provide an exceptional visitor experience. The time has come for Parks Canada to move forward and approve the new activities, both nationally and locally.

The result will be an enhanced visitor experience, increased awareness of our national parks, and new reasons for Canadians to visit Banff National Park.

Why are we still waiting?

Richard Leavens, Executive Director

The Association for Mountain Parks Protection & Enjoyment

 

You can access it at the following URL:

http://www.amppe.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=173&Itemid=1

 

Gone skiing!

No “Chat” Sunday…check back Monday.

Get out & enjoy!

-(March 5, 2010) The answer to yesterday’s question “ What sets Agassiz apart from other areas in Manitoba?”…it’s the terrain – Naturally.

Bumps, humps, rollers, side-hills, dips and trips…plenty of terrain changes on wide open slopes for this era of shaped skis and craving boards. Perfect for all the elements to enjoyment for the whole family and those ranges in abilities of visitors.

Throw in that the runs don’t simply run the fall line and you have lengthy slopes with character as well a match and challenge for any personality.

Sadly, what also sets it apart is the fact it’s closed, yet willing and ready to entertain.

There’s plenty more reason…but you already know that.

 

 

Parks Canada tries to reassure people

 

By John Cotter (CP) CANADIAN PRESS- 2 days ago

EDMONTON - Parks Canada is trying to reassure people that Ottawa's push to attract more visitors to national parks won't put the interests of the tourism industry ahead of protecting wilderness and wildlife.

The federal agency is to complete new management plans for 24 of Canada's 42 national parks by April 1.

Draft versions of some of these plans have environmental groups questioning whether the goal of luring more visitors is going to transform national parks into amusement parks that cater to the wealthy.

Nonsense, says Alan Latourelle, CEO of Parks Canada. "It is not about tourism, it is about connecting Canadians," Latourelle said in an interview from Ottawa.

"There is a select group of individuals who have the perspective that the mandate of Parks Canada is simply ecological integrity, which is incorrect. Our job at Parks Canada is to protect our national parks for Canadians, not from Canadians."

Parks Canada's concerns are being driven by statistics that show an ongoing drop in the number of people using the parks. Last year alone there was an overall nine per cent decrease in visits - a drop of 1.2 million person visits from the previous year.

Analysts say the trend can be attributed partly to the economic downturn and partly to demographic changes. About eight out of 10 Canadians now live in urban areas and about 20 per cent of those are recent immigrants. A growing number of Canadians have never gone camping and have never visited a national park.

Private tourism operators say this shift is digging into their bottom lines and they have been lobbying Parks Canada and the federal government to make parks management plans more business-friendly.

Groups such as the Association for Mountain Parks Protection and Enjoyment say they need to offer new attractions in the parks to fill hotel rooms, restaurant tables and tour buses. The group says it is fully supports Parks Canada's goal of attracting more visitors and warns their businesses will suffer if the downward trend continues.

"Times are tough. Since 1998, people operating tourism type businesses in the national parks have seen declining business," says Richard Leavens, the association's executive director. The group includes such tourism heavyweights as the Fairmont hotel chain, Brewster Inc.-a vacation and tour company - Icefields Helicopter and the National Parks Ski Areas Association.

"We want to see an ethic that recognizes that commercial enterprises provides for excellent visitor experience."

Leavens said private tourism operators in the parks are competing directly with destination tourism spots around the world and need new attractions to keep pace.

The association wants Parks Canada to make it easier for businesses to pitch new projects, such as ski lifts. Other ideas include allowing zip-lining, building raised tree-top level hiking walkways in forests and hammering metal rungs and safety lines into mountain faces to make them easier for tourists to climb.

Leavens says Parks Canada should also allow commercial rafting to resume on the Maligne River. It was shut down a decade ago because of environmental concerns.

"Mum and dad and the kids - will they want to go to Banff National Park or they will consider going to Disney World - what are they going to do?" he says. "We need to compete with what mom and dad and the kids want to do with their vacation time."

The Canadian Parks and Wilderness Society and the Alberta Wilderness Association say the draft plans for the parks are too vague and don't clearly spell out how Parks Canada will deal with an influx of new visitors. They say the plans also fail to show how Ottawa will protect wildlife and sensitive wilderness areas.

Latourelle says Parks Canada will take into account the submissions of all groups before plans are finalized and tabled in Parliament this spring. He adds the agency can deal with more visitors without damaging the ecological integrity of the parks.

Latourelle says if they achieve their goals, visitor numbers over the next five years would be no higher than 2008 levels.

"Ensuring ecological integrity and an increased opportunity for experiences for visitors is the right direction for the agency," he says.

"I can reassure Canadians that we are taking our conservation objectives seriously."

Copyright © 2010 The Canadian Press. All rights reserved.

 

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http://www.amppe.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=173&Itemid=1
 

 -(March 4, 2010) Quite encouraging that website site visits continue to grow...with some great positive comments being offered.

With the excitement and visibility of the recent Olympics came comments and ideas offered from folks’ enthusiasm…one such was told to us yesterday: an associate of AMDG had a meeting, unrelated to Agassiz topic, with a government agency that we now look very forward to partnering with. From the get-go the topic was Agassiz with a rush of ideas and possibilities, one being the need to differentiate in offering something other resorts in Manitoba simply do not.

If you’ve never even been to Agassiz, you can surely imagine the location and proposed activities are pretty well enough to give unique experiences like no other. So now, if in being a skier or snowboarder that had been to Agassiz, you should be able to answer what the most unique feature that will set Agassiz apart and many look forward to experiencing again.

For the many that entered the sport only within the last ten years and thus might never have known Agassiz ever existed – it’s going to be a new resort to you and you will certainly experience what sets Agassiz apart.

If you realize the answer, drop us a line at admin@skiagassiz.com (we’ll send you a window decal if correct). For those that never had experience at Agassiz we’ll let you in on the answer tomorrow.

In the meantime, you should be planning to get in some slope slidin’ fun this weekend…forecast is plus 3 this Sunday.

SPRINGTIME ON THE CANADIAN PRAIRIES !!!

-(March 3, 2010) Not much “Chat” today so we’ll reflect back to an earlier posting…A posting by Anonymous (wish folks would use their name to add credit to a comment's motive) suggesting "Native Bands and Municipalities along the East Escarpment would have a hard time justifying much needed money for their own local projects going into a National Park."

This is very true.

Of course it it expected that as much local workforce and sourcing  should be available to the First Nations and local residents, this project CANNOT rely on hand-outs of funding from the local or provincial governments. Besides the fact it's simply not there, there are other priorities within these communities that must be met for all it's citizen's benefit.

To think putting all the eggs in one basket by creating a ski area will suddenly create enough local economic development to attend to those priorities is unrealistic. Simply can't put the cart before the horse. It will take years to see "second-home" taxpayer income, and other such benefits.

In saying such, the region from Neepawa to Ste. Rose (maybe as far as Dauphin) has a unique asset, in their own backyard, other communities could only hope for.

We'll also note here that AMDG has a dedicated  person in position that is in liaison with the First Nations communities.

 - (March 2, 2010) Even in that there were no comments or conversation in disagreement to yesterday’s posting, we still feel more insight to that opinion is required.

There is no way we do not advocate use of the great terrain that already has the finest hike, bike and horse trails in the province – the area above the East Gate. Yet, this terrain is certainly not for everyone and would rather not see a rush to judgment in effort and expense towards proposed plans before the option for same at the Agassiz site is determined.

A first priority in trail creation; be it ski, hike, bike, horse, snowmobile, etc., goes to safety concerns in offering controlled, monitored and maintained trails. There are many considerations to this; ability of user, outlet for education, guiding and direction – simply put, controlled and monitored use for both family-oriented and experienced users to ensure a safe and positive experience.

We have had a blast riding the descents at the east escarpment trails, but we must offer that the opportunity for injury is certainly there. We would hope to see these “advanced ability” trails (firstly maintained and sign’d) complement an ability range of non-evasive trails at the Agassiz site offering education and concerns to safety. In the meantime, concentrated effort in reconditioning the present east escarpment trails with ability and safety standards – as there can be no doubt folks will be, some unexpectedly, finding themselves on trails well beyond their ability this summer. The efforts to offer such to the public are quickly dashed if any serious injury occurs.

Parks are about creating great and positive guest experiences, so rightfully there has to be the “what if” in every consideration to public risk.

We look forward to what appears to be some great and responsible trail creation taking place at the east escarpment. We simply wouldn’t like to hear of injury to anyone venturing on the other trails beyond their ability or on those that are not maintained.

We can all envision a “Mecca” of attractive trails within the region. The finest trails in the prairies can be improved upon, and created here, yet marketability is required to attract visitors which in turn can offer sustainment to safety and maintenance that need be a necessary component.

 

-(March 1, 2010) Where it comes to viable alternatives to attract visitors to the east side of RMNP…

Can’t even fathom that anyone could imagine any potential business, as say a Tea House, could be a viable opportunity or attraction at the East Gate. This especially, when there is a much better option.

Firstly, the Tea House craze ended years ago. Secondly, the expense to construct a commercial kitchen and operation would be an eye-opener. Thirdly, the marketing to sustain customers; in the least over the few months it may be operational. Lastly, has anyone looked at a map? The draw to the East Gate offers only east to the lake with a demographic from Ste. Rose to Kelwood.  Dauphin, Neepawa, Winnipeg, and Brandon all enter the Park from different ports.

Never mind the additional stress on a road already plagued with stream seepage. Further, many locals enjoy the drive on that road due to the opportunity to see wildlife which will surely be lessened if such could attract more traffic.

Hope many can recall the opposition Parks Canada had, for such a long period and the stakeholders defeat, from the residents in the Clear Lake area to the destruction of the historic gate at the south entrance. Look to how breath-taking that entrance is now.

If you’ve never been to the East Gate an attraction such as a Tea House is pretty unlikely to entice you.

The driver to attract at RMNP is Clear Lake. In the winter, the private operation of Elk Horn Ranch; which isn’t in the Park. Being way out there on this, but not advocating skiing at a facility that is not only the finest but also already there, is like advocating no swimming in Clear Lake!

-(February 28, 2010) Can offer the following observation from many countless conversations and correspondence throughout the communities and the province:

As further mention per a procedural feasibility study, the intentions presented progress nothing more than this going full circle. Parks are well aware of such costly studies being done elsewhere with no relevance to actual outcome of the project.

Please reflect on what the residents have already, and long offered...they are becoming fed up with the thought there are any other further viable opportunities (beyond what has already being offered) for the site. How many different ways can they voice what they know as obvious.

It's not playing well on their perception of Parks Canada being there for their enjoyment of the Park. They feel "locked out".                                                           
                                                                                             
"Tea Houses and Frisbee Golf" ideas at the East Gate are simply small thinking (low risk) ideas that are no less a set up for failure and continue to prolong what the bigger picture can be. The residents crave the opportunity to move forward and are frustrated and tired with RMNP intentions for further gatherings, meetings, and costly studies. They feel they have spoken in the last 2 1/2 years and any further foot dragging will only suggest they have been ignored and further money wasted that could go towards the area operating.                   
                                                                                             
It's time for Parks Canada to offer a positive outlook to the communities and take the first decisive step forward to reopen that ski area for all of Manitoba.                                     

-(February 27, 2010) In that we continue to seek expert opinion on the state of the buildings at the Agassiz site, we recently prepared another package of information for a contractor for his review. In this package is an inspection report commissioned by Parks Canada done in September 2008 (please remember that date). It brings back a memory that makes one shutter in disbelieve.

When we first saw the pictures of the main lodge contained in this report, on a full screen at one of the assessment meetings, I wondered if Parks Canada felt any responsibility to the shameful condition of deterioration these photos showed. Most would be totally embarrassed to have anyone, never mind those that entrusted, view such disregard to property.

We first visited Agassiz to view and photograph it’s condition in 2007.  At that time, the state of the infrastructure at the area was somewhat as it had been left in 2000. The table we had sat, on closing day 2000, was actually as we left it…our plates, glasses, even the tablecloth undisturbed!

Our photos show it remained in such condition until fall 2007. Not even broken windows!

It was at this time nowhere a total loss as it quickly has become assessed today. Sure it required mediation to prevent any further deterioration, as would any buildings require when left vacant for 7 years, and of course we were aware of up grades required to refurbish the buildings. The furnaces, decks, roof, etc. were in cases over 40 years old – due for replacement even if the resort had not closed.

The buildings were somewhat secure as most believed the security system was still being monitored (it ceased when hydro service terminated in 2005). There were no broken windows, any concerning leaking (a small water spot in a photo taken has festered into what it is today)…in fact, noted the full fleet of ski and snowboard/boot rentals, as well as all the office and kitchen equipment were still remaining. Photos from fall 2007 clearly show the buildings were not compromised in the least.

Parks Canada took control of the property under the present Management Plan in November, 2007, and full control of the property in March 2008 after “public consultation” showed no interest in the ski hill (Coffee Chat will speak to such “consultation” in the near future).

Now, in again looking at these photos taken by the assessor in 2008; and after numerous requests urging Parks mediate (secure doors, patch roof, prevent vehicle access, etc.) pending opportunity of deterioration to the main lodge…well, you just have to see it for yourself!

All this since Parks Canada took control of the property in spring 2008; on our behalf.

In business, someone need take responsibility to the lack of diligence in preventing such. In government, someone need be accountable to such entrusted property.

Maybe it just played into the agenda conceived in 2004 – with “public consultation”.

Will offer reaction from First Nations and communities on pending studies at a later Coffee Chat.

 

 

 

Lounge - Fall 2007

Lounge - May 2008 (Interior pics are like night & day in difference to condition)

Someone was even able to walk out of there with 1 of 2 full size drink machines as recent as fall 2009! How was that even possible?

(other machine laying on it's side in upper left of picture) 

 

-(February 26, 2010) Personally need to offer, that in preparing  this “chat”, heard in the background at least 16 Parks Canada “Discover Your Moment -There for You – Use it” commercials on the TV during the Olympic coverage. With two National Parks in Manitoba, of which only one is easily accessible to most of Manitoba’s population, we’ve been asked of recent, what primary draw Riding Mountain offers at this time.

Can one imagine the effect on the region of Churchill (Wapusk National Park) having it’s tourism draw, poplar bear viewing, curtailed by Parks Canada. Not moving forward with an accurate realistic mandate to redevelop Mount Agassiz as the driver it once was is as far-fetched as mandating no golf course for a community because other communities have one. No other region in Manitoba, or the prairies for that matter, have a Mount Agassiz on it’s doorstep – ready and able to reconnect many of past and future opportunities and experiences.

“It can be real. It will be inspiring.”

This outstanding National Park, is seen by many as a white elephant at present. It remains one of the greater stressed Parks within the system and as time goes on, we find that may be the result of a lack of communication; certainly by the previous administration of the Park.

In the years following  the closure of Agassiz in 2000, written questions about Agassiz from Ministers, Provincial and Rural governments were simply replied to with a “form letter” (comprised of 4 generic answers) from Parks Canada and the federal Minister. There was little effort to dialogue, inform or encourage operation of the ski area. The responses offered, as far back as 2003, showed to the agenda that remains today.

We continue to hold positive that the current administration is genuine and proactive.

 

A letter of recent to RMNP…”In that Parks Canada is to undertake a feasibility study, we simply can only ask if any time line is available. Such a study was mentioned in the media last September, again at a special joint meeting (November 5, 2009) of the RM of McCreary and the Village of McCreary, and further of recent in numerous media. You must understand that many supporters of the redevelopment are becoming impatient and questioning the rationale in realizing the study has not yet been formatted or offered for tender at this point; this now being over 6 months, and a further 2 years since gatherings and meetings in the communities have overwhelming come to consensus the vital need for the ski hill; with both the recreational and economic aspirations and benefits first and foremost. 

With the above process not in order at this point, what can be the tentative time line that such a study may be completed? Any unknown direction places our objective of redevelopment at cross-roads as to what means might be taken to bring such to fruition.

We note, understanding a study may well be required, had offered to cover the expense of any such study (as well as offering our extensive research per public support and feasibility) in order to move the process forward. This study, as well an EIA, were requirements to CAF funding that would have greatly benefited both our organization and Riding Mountain National Park; a much needed remedy to the many safety and security concerns at the Agassiz site. CAF was willing to conditionally defer these requirements in order to put the funding in place.

We are presently on-going with a feasibility study which was initiated last July and near completion at this time. We further understand studies were undertaken in 2006 and 2007 by a First Nations consortium, as well as AMDG in 2007.

Our organization, which is comprised of multiple communities, businesses and provincially operated and supported, is well prepared at this time to present, in conjunction with community and First Nation's partnerships, a Letter of Intent with a comprehensive Expression of Interest. Tacit, in order to offer what direction and opportunity is available, will offer confidence, expertise, and investment from the many proponents and supporters that wish to be involved in this project.

We imagine Parks Canada are well aware of the present overwhelming public and community support and interest for this redevelopment and our organization is well positioned to further this project.”

The above letter remains without response in answer to it’s questioning.

Coffee Chat Tomorrow…more on this and reaction from the community and First Nations on this drawn out process.

 

-(February 25, 2010) You'll notice that we have condensed (taken out the "chit-chat) on this Coffee Chat page.

You'll also notice we will be posting written concerns from the onset of our efforts to seek answers and support in the project to redevelop Agassiz. We found yesterday, in reviewing past files for the attention of a First Nations group, that much of what HAD BEEN said - needs be said again! This illustrates that we, and others, consider that the efforts to resolve this issue with Parks Canada have simply gone "full circle".

Watch this page in the next days for some incredible insight we will be offering...it's now time to "Hold on really tight and enjoy the ride"!

March 28, 2008 

(written when new Management Plan of Parks Canada announced no further use of Agassiz and immediate rehabitation to the leasehold)

Letter to the Editor...

We liken the current situation of "Friends of Upper Fort Garry Gate", to that of which has been taking place (over 8 years now) in relation to efforts in re-establishing the prairies' finest ski area, Mt. Agassiz near McCreary, in Riding Mountain National Park.

Since the year 2000, Mt. Agassiz Ski Area has been tied up in a legal and bureaucratic (Parks Canada) stalemate. Many attempts have been made by several groups and investors (including our own group at present) to re-establish Mt. Agassiz for what it was originally intended for and offered enjoyment as…a ski resort. All of the attempts by several past groups and the communities that surround this unique attraction have been made impossible by what appears to be the past lack of communication and diligence on the part of Parks Canada - Riding Mountain), this is haphazardly putting an end to this recreational facility that was enjoyed for 40 years. This with no rationale as to why it can't remain to be enjoyed for another 40 years!

The attempts to get straight-forward answers from anyone in the position to make changes or offer rationale has been in vain - complete with rhetoric and contradiction. This from those entrusted to care in our best interest...any visitor to the ski area site would agree this is difficult to believe seeing the state of abandonment, unheeded deterioration and vandalism that remains unchecked to this day...needless to say – derelict in a National Park!

Riding Mountain National Park is apparently scurrying to expedite the process of eliminating any further use as a ski area. For what result? So the past actions (and inaction) are never brought up to the public?

It would be interesting to know why those that are mandated to care for our best interest are so very keen and driven in preventing Mt. Agassiz from ever becoming a vibrant ski area again (despite interested groups, such as ours in combination with First Nations, that are willing, able, and ready).

The millions of taxpayers’ dollars that will be required to remove the infrastructure far out weighs the cost of recapitalization / redevelopment. The environmental damage that would be caused due to removal of the infrastructure would be far greater than the existing carbon footprint that was stamped in the 1960's with private investors’ funding.

To this end; once it's gone it's gone. The resort, that remains heralded as the finest terrain between the Lakehead and the Rockies, as well as the economic benefits, community pride and fiber it can impart...will, like the Fort Garry Gate, not be afforded opportunity for families and generations to partake, enjoy, and experience.

Sincerely,

Kelly Rose

admin@skiagassiz.com

Website: skiagassiz.com

Agassiz Mountain Development Group

 

 

 

 

-(February 24, 2010)

"NASAW NJEU"

-Chasing the Mountain-   

(First Nations traditional use)

Respect for host, culture, tradition, heritage and education values…

 

After a lengthy meeting with Parks Canada last Friday in McCreary, we remain at an impasse as to the proposed feasibility study and it’s motive. We do feel positive in that our ‘means to an end’ remain consistent with new partnerships being created weekly…”You can’t do tourism by yourself” Travel Manitoba

Yet, it is also said Manitoba is

“The place where sanity forgot.”

Go figure. Let’s do this!

 

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 Park Gate at Agassiz - Feb.15, 2010

 

-(February 22, 2010) We need back up to a comment posted previously in Coffee Chat (Feb.15, 2010)…

"Bus load of McCreary school kids (Valentines Day Party) enjoying the hill in Fletcher Park on Friday with their sleds and toboggans. Encouraging to see yet very frustrating when you look further west and see what the Agassiz Site has to offer. We asked the question could the kids at least use their sleds and toboggans on the hill and the answer was NO...VERY FRUSTRATING - IT'S OUR PARK  (WORDS PARKS CANADA ALWAYS TELL THE PUBLIC ) BUT VERY IRONIC WHEN WE WANT TO USE OUR PARK."

In visiting the area over the past few days, I had to ask the writer if I read that comment correctly – someone had actually asked Parks Canada if they could make use of the hill for this special excursion.

The answer was that prior to the outing they HAD asked! Can it be imaginable that such an area not be usable for the recreation and health of the communities’ youth? Parks should welcome and cater the opportunity for a bus full of local youth to experience their Park – how better can any positive connection to the Park be recognized without opportunity for experiences in the Park?

 I imagine citing safety concerns as the possible reasoning. Has not enough time gone by in that such has not been addressed so such a great experience could have been had?

 We attempted a trip into the ski area site this past weekend but the snow coverage on the road was too deep to venture. It’s nice Parks Canada have the road plowed to the Oak Ridge cross-country trail head parking lot for the benefit of those that might make use of the trail, yet considerable expense in plowing would be saved in starting the trailhead at the Park Gate (or golf course) with this extension connecting to the Oak Ridge Trail.

 It’s truly amazing the number of local citizens that believe the ski area site is out of bounds to visit. It is not…it still remains a part of your Park. Take a hike in for a first hand experience; outstanding the amount of snow coverage, as well the beauty the morning frost offers.

-(February 18, 2010)

“ No kids in my class have ever gone skiing”.

 Riley, age 6, from McCreary.

Most Sundays, a bunch of friends from McCreary try and get away for a day of skiing at Minnedosa Ski Valley. This past Sunday Riley had his second shot at skiing & even progressed to the chairlift. No more rope-tow for him as he’s now in the “big boy’s club”!

Activity – Recreation – Experiences – Education – Gets the whole Family involved…enough said.

Coffee Chat will again be away for the next few days; in the Neepawa, McCreary and Dauphin areas. Want to meet…email Kelly@skiagassiz.com

Check back next Tuesday for more Coffee Chat. Meantime,

 have a great weekend.

 

-(February 17, 2010) We recently were invited to the Western Region Snowmobile Association General Meeting to present the opportunity the Agassiz site could offer. This association represents clubs between the US Border and Swan River, and from the Western Manitoba Border to mid point between Neepawa and Gladstone.

They were excited and supportive that we wished to offer snowmobiling in our Master Plan in hubbing activities at Agassiz. The hydro line servicing the area has a corridor of about  9 miles with varied terrain and direction changes…remaining on this line would offer safe and controlled riding and with a staging hub at the Agassiz parking lot would offer both amenities and opportunity for family members to take part in alternative activities. There are several locations outside the Park that could be refreshment points also.

As the Park normally has early season snow and a longer snow-covered season (due to several factors) the trails would be an outstanding asset to the sport of snowmobiling.

As none of these many snowmobile enthusiasts had ever experienced riding in the Park (as was allowed in the past) we are meeting again in the spring, along with the provincial organization Snoman, to make them familiar with the unique terrain the Park can offer.

 

-(February 15, 2010) WOW…what a spectacular “Family-Day” long weekend to be outside!!!

As several had written, sorry you missed your daily “coffee fix” but got unexpectedly pulled out of Winnipeg Thursday night for what turned out to be a couple great meetings and a wide variety of outdoor activity and fun!

Plenty to write about in Coffee Chat over the next few days but we’ll first start with photos of youngsters and families having a blast at McCreary’s man-made mound toboggan hill. Ironic the “Ski Capital”  of Manitoba’s slopes at Agassiz await vacant in the background.

Whereas every resort was overwhelmed with activity this past weekend, with thousands of folks enjoying being outdoors, not a sole was in this area of “your Park”. Ironic, or maybe a contradiction in this case, as Parks Canada begins airing a TV commercial boasting "It's your Park"!

A situation that locals could only describe as “such a crying shame”. Much more on this and other topics in Coffee Chat over the next few days…

So -(February 11, 2010)

“A relatively low re-capitalization cost in comparison

 to developing a recreation area from scratch.”

 

After day one of a multi-day conference on tourism in Manitoba we find we need change this phrase to:

 

“A relatively low re-capitalization cost in comparison

 to developing a unique tourism attraction of which every region of Manitoba wished they had the opportunity for.”

 

Excluding multi-million dollar projects such as the Human Rights Museum, that are being created from the ground up, it was concluded no other current projects in the works, would have the impact that the redevelopment of Agassiz (as a 4-season recreational area) would have on both the local and provincial tourism market. No other region can offer any attraction for tourism (other than what is current and unique to its’ geographical location, I.E. Churchill – Polar Bears, Whales, Northern Lights) that is “beyond the box”.

 

Every region figures the “same old same old” activities will attract surges in their tourism ‘cause people want to x-c ski, snowshoe, hike, mountain bike, geo-cach, etc. We think now, after day one, they realize people will not travel, with much frequently (and certainly not in mass), long distances to the likes of the Boral Forest - whereas these activities can be enjoyed in their own backyards!

 

It was also determined that we need offer great tourism opportunities “in-house” before great expectations for international tourists will be realized. Please don’t take this wrong – there are markets for people that want to visit our proud Boral Forest, but it’s a very select and small market. Simply not sustainable without the influx of funding for basics like marketing…let’s not even talk about infrastructure and annual operating costs.

 

This conference is very enlightening and reassuring to us on the “product” we are offering. It’s certainly opening the eyes of other project managers. More on how we fit in with Eco Sustainable Tourism in the next days of Coffee Chat.

 

 

-(February 10, 2010) You might have read in yesterday’s Winnipeg Free Press about Lindsay Gauld and his pending milestone of achieving over 1 million kilometers of bicycling over his career. Lindsay is somewhat a pioneer when it comes to mountain bike trails and development. He has created courses the likes of that at Manitoba’s Pan Am Games and others. Lindsay is very familiar with what the Agassiz site has to offer and will be eager to track out some amazing family-friendly trails when the opportunity arises. We hope to look at some options later this spring – when there’s a little less snow up there!

In the next few weeks of Coffee Chat, we figure we will start to introduce you to some of the many people that are ready and willing to bring their respective expertise to the table. These passionate advocates look forward to being part of creating what should be a showcase of recreation opportunities and experiences.

Only 5 days remain to get your comments in for the contest! Some further comments…

I would LOVE to see Agassiz re-opened. It was my 1st "real" taste of snowboarding. I visit Holiday regularly and Frostfire rarely. I've never been to **** and I don't care to either. It's too far. I sure hope you guys make a lot of people’s dreams of a re-opened Agassiz come true! How can I help?

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"First I would like to thank-you (AMDG) and all those involved in this venture.

 

I spent most weekends at Agassiz Ski Hill as I grew up.  My family had two trailers that we stayed in just outside the park.  Our family had three generations of skiers and then snowboarders at Agassiz.  I have many wonderful memories of Agassiz and I hope that my family and I can continue the tradition; maybe even have a trailer, caboose, or A-frame of our own.

(AMDG), make me one promise when Agassiz re-opens...Please have good food! I have worked in the restaurant industry for many years and having poor food quality is the number one mistake made by 90% of ski hills in Manitoba (i.e. crappy frozen fries).  All people want is great skiing / boarding (which you already have), and good food and beverage. For example, V.J.'s or Dairy Whip. It's the food... don't be too concerned about what the lodge looks like. You could have the best burgers in town which leads you to have great nachos (same ingredients), and of course there are wings. At the end of the day (3-6 pm) you could have a wing and beer special (i.e. Smitty's on Tuesdays and Thursdays.). Filling the lodge at the end of the day will create relationships and grow your business.

Thanks again for all your hard work and we hope to be back at Agassiz in the near future.

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"I was thrilled to hear about Agassiz Mountain Development Group's efforts on CJOB.  I just finished listening to your program on January 8.

 

  This news certainly boosted my spirits over the holidays and today.

 

I am behind you all the way!!  I currently have a young family and live in Winnipeg.  I would gladly take them to Agassiz if it ever opened again!  This is such a beautiful place and holds such a special place in my heart & always will.  I spent MANY weekends there as a teenager!  But I could also see my husband & I skiing there again as we become empty nesters.

 

 10 years ago when it closed...there wasn't the power of the internet!!  And I just know if it ever opened again...this would make a huge difference in it's success this time round. 

 

Good luck to you all and thanks for rekindling these memories!"

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We personally, need thank and respond to all the great comments of goodwill. Many folks are finding themselves on the 'same page'.

 

 

-(February 9, 2010) It was pretty ironic, this past Friday, to come upon two busloads of school kids from McCreary taking in a day of instruction and skiing at Asessippi.  Some might have found it disheartening in that they have such a facility, being unused, in their own backyard, yet it shows to the benefits Agassiz will have in the region.

We saw these 60 youngsters enjoying an outdoor experience, learning a life skill, bonding with others outside the walls of a class room…can one ask for more in connecting these youngsters to such-like experiences.

School ski trips are a long time tradition of schools throughout the world and with the opportunity for such an experience, many continue in the sport which offers both fitness and social interaction. Further, when the parent’s endorse the zest that infects many youngsters’ thrill for the sport, they and other family members find themselves enjoying such as a family. Truly one of few sports a family can actively “play” together.

Quite sure those youngsters would spend many long enjoyable days (for years) slip slidin’ around if their ski hill were operating. Sadly, this past Friday is likely one of few times they will have opportunity to experience the fun and fitness that can be had. Can that not be frustrating to the youngsters and their parents when they see the Agassiz Ski Hill in the distance each day they bus to school.

Variety is the spice of light…it is only with opportunity for experiences that we might find our passion; our requirement for a life-time portion of leisure, fun and health.

In offering such to the students from McCreary, it was obvious in chatting with the parents and teachers that they see the benefits to such a field trip. It’s only a shame it can’t be enjoyed with more frequently in their own back yard.

Let’s look forward and strive for that opportunity.

 

-(February 8, 2010)...Back from a few days of great skiing at Asessippi. Will write about interesting findings over the next couple of days here at Coffee Chat. In the meantime, the comments are coming in like never before - the buzz of support is out there in a BIG way right now!

Joanne…”Mount Agassiz has so many memories for me that I can only hope my own kids may get a chance to experience the hill like we did and more. Nancy Greene on the weekend and climbing the hill several times with the gang to build character and warm us up on a -30 day..then freezing your feet that they burned as they thawed out...Molson Races...warming up in the basement of the chalet with chicken noodle soup or hot chocolate..exploring some of the back trails and convincing your non-skiing friends the run wasn't so bad....my first ride on the chair the day it opened .. the Winter Games.. tubing and the torch light parade at the wind-up..all very good memories with great friends.. I dream of an Agassiz that would be a year round outdoor adventure - skiing, zip lines, mountain biking, hiking and more good memories with my kids and grandkids for years to come.  Keep up the good work and promotion.”

Chris…"Agassiz holds many fond memories for me…it was where I learned to ski and fall in love with the sport…and it was the only place in Manitoba that came even close to rivaling the hills of Thunder Bay or Giant’s ridge, yet was close enough to Winnipeg that you could do a day trip without having to stay overnight.  Now I’m 47 with my own kids, and I’d love nothing more than to see Agassiz come alive again to experience the thrill of the slopes and create new memories with my family."

Shannon…”So Agassiz was literally the hill that made a snowboarder out of me. I started off at the age of 13 with my little Burton A-Deck, falling on my ass on the bunny hill, progressed to riding the t-bar solo and eventually learned how to get off the chairlift (remember how icy it was?) without making an idiot of myself. ...Best memories would include wiping out RIGHT on the face after catching an edge going waaaaay too fast (probably trying to impress a guy!), the Agassiz boarding competition (with the streaker man!), getting stuck up on the chairlift and having to jump off (it really happened!), cheap seasons passes, good hotdogs, and the guy with the glasses who ran the t-bar..I think his name was Stretch???? Good times, good times.....please bring it back!!! 13 years later and I haven't forgotten those memories!!!!”

Lisa…”I loved to ski when I was a teen and haven't gone skiing anywhere else since Agassiz closed. That was a sad year for me not being able to go hit the slops with my friends. Hopefully the place will OPEN again sooner than later. I would love to be able to take my own boys there and teach them to ski.”

Janet…”Those were some of the best days, skipping out of class and going to Agassiz. I want my kids to grow up on the hill too. Good Times!”

Ashley…“I've lived in McCreary most of my life, having this ski hill was the best thing for the community and surrounding towns! It's hard to believe that after all this time nothing has happened. It was and is a hidden wonder, and will only be remembered by the best!”

Jordan...”You build it, we will come! We love to ski. The more Manitoba choice the better.”

David…”Who actually OWNS Mt. Agassiz ski area right now??”

You own it David…the people of Canada.

Above: New Tubing Park at Banff Mt. Norquay...great addition to the resort and getting a super response. 

-(February 3, 2010) Well, we got the opportunity to meet with folks in Neepawa and McCreary yesterday, but unfortunately didn’t have time to venture up to the hill to offer any pics today. Pretty sure the resort still there and quite certain there is plentiful snow up there!

Only observation to offer is it is obvious the redevelopment of Agassiz is forefront on many persons’ agendas and future prospects. Unfortunately, as had been seen in the past, lack of direction and communication is contributing to the degree of enthusiasm required. Again, from the onset it was apparent it wouldn’t (if at all) happen overnight, yet sadly, it’s so disheartening driving through the region with so many possibilities within sight.

Everywhere we stop we get the question “so next winter it should be reopened?”…asked in a tone as most local residents figure it should be obvious, or the catch-phrase no-brainer.

Tough question to answer with simple rationale, and really not our place to offer explanation – as the more we see the support and logic behind it not much more to be said other than “no-brainer”!

 

-(February 2, 2010) Several of us will be up at the ski hill today...we'll get some pics. Glad so many got the drift in yesterday's posting in noting the initial purpose behind the creation of RMNP...Recreation.

Recent Comments:

Greater changes have been made and much greater odds have been overcome in history than this situation! I believe it will happen if we all keep putting the pressure on.

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The first time I ever skied was at that hill when I was like 5. My dad and sister both worked at that hill at some point or another. It is a shame for the park, the local economy and the avid skiers of McCreary & area that get to just look up at the hill every time the snow falls. Even though I no longer live there, every time I am in McCreary I always look up at that hill and wonder to myself if it will ever reopen. It makes no sense that especially in MB where there are very few places where ski hills can actually be decent, a perfectly good hill sits un-used.

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It appears pretty obvious that if the ski hill were not within the boundaries of the park it would be a very happening place. I look at the pictures on the website that show most of the runs and can imagine no place better for the activities suggested. Those holding this back should open there eyes! We should seek our right and have our voices heard, it’s our park.

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We have the best ski resort around and can’t even go tobogganing there. We (McCreary) had to build a ‘bump’ in town so our kids could enjoy a hill. To many here it feels like the ski hill is being held hostage. Like the comment I read enough is enough and its time the powers that be come to the table. The hill is one of the best things around and should be enjoyed.

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Best of success you guys. I’ve hiked around the hill many times and it is so sad what has become of the place. I’m also in the home repair business and can clearly state the buildings are quite repairable. If they were not why are they still standing after so long. I snowboard just outside Winnipeg at Stony and that chalet has been there since the start a long time ago. It’s a place to warm up and get a burger. We’re there for the slopes. Whether you think big or think small, at least think. There is nowhere else like Agassiz. Call me.

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I need compliment the creators of this website. It is so refreshing to finally not see blame being put on us folks at (another ski area town). For so long we were getting knocked for the lost opportunity and not for the true reasons, feel you have explained it pretty well.

We travelled often to Agassiz, even were volunteers there, and then we got a ski resort nearby. I'm sure we'd still be going there for a change of pace throughout the winter. I wish you the best of luck and hope to visit Agassiz again. There is certainly room for more recreation in our province. Keep up the communication.

AMDG: We're actually looking forward to skiing & boarding (and the tubing is a blast too!) at that resort this coming weekend. Alpine ski races happening Friday to Sunday. CSIA course conductor also coming up to offer sessions to up-coming ski instructors. Join in the fun as it appears to be getting alittle warmer out there.

 

-(February 1, 2010) Comment posts from Free Press article reaction...

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I for one think it would be great to see Agassiz open again. National parks CAN be used for more than just tree hugging -- without spoiling the natural splendor. Asessippi has proven that ski hills can thrive in Manitoba. Finding the 8 figure investment needed to become competitive will be the hard part. I think the only way to compete would involve a lot of new stuff, some new terrain, new day lodge, new rental eqp., upgraded lifts & snowmaking etc. etc.

A modest hotel on-site would give an edge too. I THINK only La Rivere ski hill can boast this in MB. Keen marketing partnerships are key too, (Asessippi has an ad on the right side of my screen as I type.) And I would push for the same government perks Asessippi got too, I'm thinking of the 'mound'. All-in-All: It can be done... but don't skimp on the initial investment, people need 'shiny and new' in order to become impressed.

January 12, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Skiing is an activity that is BAD??? Hope it reopens, was a great place to take the family. We can't all afford the Rockies... or are you posters against skiing because you have never been involved?

January 12, 2010 at 11:25 AM

Decommisioning of this site is the only way to go. You are not being realistic in your expectations. A report was relased confirming the fact that the infastructure is not worth anything. The park is doing a study based on the whole park and the east-side of RMNP. The ski hill is one small part of the big puzzle.

January 11, 2010 at 6:17 PM

Of course it's partly about money...saving your money that would go to decommissioning the site and thus offering no future economical or recreational benefits...

January 9, 2010 at 6:36 PM

Bad idea. Not the kind of activity that needs to or should be in a national park. What happened to Parks Canada's so-called principles? I suspect they have been replaced by dollar signs.

In response to "so-called principles"...

Excert from Manitoba Pageant, Charles T. Thomas - 1970 "It is my conviction that the Minister there and then promised, not a National Park; not a park at all, but "a playground for us and our children and our children's children."  Newspapers of the time called it a recreational area. The Dauphin Herald of May 2, 1929, said flatly: "Recreation Area to be created in Riding Mountains." Reports favored the creation of some kind of public playground in Riding Mountains. This [public playground] is a hybrid entity ... "

This article carried the sub-heading: "Dauphin Is Satisfied."

"Recreation" entails well-beyond Geo Caching and Frisbee Golf.

-(January 31, 2010) Recent Comments…Will post five per day for the next week or so…starting with a favorite from Wayne in BC…

Wayne: I often seek out photos on the web from Mount Agassiz. I have many happy memories travelling on the day ski bus from the airbase at Rivers where we lived to ski at Mount Agassiz  and later from Winnipeg. I learned to love the outdoors through these experiences and I was dumbstruck to discover that this is now no longer an option for current and future generations. It is another example of the will of the people being superseded by a few bureaucrats.  Enough is enough; let the people enjoy their own country once again!

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Darren: Kudos! A four-season recreation facility is a fantastic idea, zip line and hiking trails included. Makes for an economically viable facility and 4 season use will promote a more diligent maintenance program and deter vandalism in the off season, while providing employment.

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Phil & Cheryl: I was thrilled to hear about AMDG efforts on CJOB.  I just finished listening to your program on January 8.  This news certainly boosted my spirits over the holidays and today.

I am behind you all the way!!  I currently have a young family and live in Winnipeg.  I would gladly take them to Agassiz if it ever opened again!  This is such a beautiful place and holds such a special place in my heart & always will.  I spent MANY weekends there as a teenager!  But I could also see my husband & I skiing there again as we become empty nesters.

10 years ago when it closed...there wasn't the power of the internet!!  And I just know if it ever opened again...this would make a huge difference in it's success this time round. 

Good luck to you all and thanks for rekindling these memories!

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Jeff: This site is certainly getting people talking and creating more awareness of the realities to getting Agassiz up again. Just last week, I was in Saskatoon attending a tradeshow that brings people from Toronto all the way to the west coast. While enjoying my breakfast at the hotel one morning, I overheard the conversation being held at the next table - I'm not one to eavesdrop but a word caught my attention..... AGASSIZ. I continued to listen in on the conversation about how they heard the effort was under way, and that it was a great idea because their kids were all into snowboarding and of the age where just beginning to learn. They also retold stories of their youth and attending the ski hill on weekends.

Please stay the course as the passion is there.

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Gary: It's time to reopen Mt. Agassiz. It is a Manitoban landmark that has instilled the passion of sports excellence and has been the catalyst for creating many long term friendships, business contacts and other opportunities.

Let's all contribute to the reopen.

Get your comments in now at admin@skiagassiz.com

 

Speaking of Banff, we must all find it overwhelming the bumper to bumper traffic from Calgary to Banff during the winter weekends. Never mind the back up of cars at the gate into the Park. Certainly shows to the draw created by the ski areas which in turn creates awareness and use to the National Park.

Hard to imagine such a stream of visitors

without the attraction of the ski areas.

A couple of weeks ago we had reason to travel from McCreary to Clear Lake. It was warm outside and an excellent opportunity to be outside…cross-country skiing, snowshoeing, etc.

Parking areas for trailheads appeared not plowed all season, and the lack of any activity or other persons really made us wonder. If not for the attraction of the Elkhorn Ranch there would be few visitors in the Park. Such a shame when you note the Park offers little attraction in the winter, and yet it can have so much to offer.

The following day, in visiting Bird’s Hill Park, we were caught well off guard and excited at the great amount of cross-country skiers, snowshoers, hikers, and skijorers we encountered. Three of four parking sites were overflowed and it was standing room only at the horse stables.

Such a contrast from our visit to Riding Mountain National Park.

-(January 28, 2010) Server up-grades presently being done.

There is an addition to the posting from December 16, '09. Scroll to Dec.16, '09 (highlighted in Red).

Few are aware that AMDG has been actively pursuing numerous and somewhat unrelated  opportunities for both tourism and economic activity in the Parkland region. As several projects are currently in either the confirmation stage and / or development - study stage, we have had to keep the projects under wrap. We hope to offer and further inform after AMDG has opportunity to meet in Neepawa next week.

We consider these to be province wide community efforts.

-(January 26, 2010) As we are constantly asked why it’s taking so long to see the area redeveloped, we again need to offer we knew it wasn’t going to happen overnight. As many understand, until last September, PC wouldn’t entertain talks about alternative use with groups if the issue of the ski area was brought up. It would take Parliamentary procedure to change the Management Plan and in that such would take years with the likelihood of no change; we were told to drop any thoughts to a ski area again.

Now the carrot remains dangling with mention, last September, in that a feasibility study will examine the range of activities the site could provide, “including a ski hill operation”. Can there possibly be, after so many voices of support have been heard,  any reason that keeps PC determined that the prairie’s finest ski and snowboard facility be something other-than a ski operation? Is it not the intention of our Parks to be visited and enjoyed for the well-being of Canadians?

Nevertheless, it’s now almost February and we’re all told this feasibility study might commence in a couple months, with results determined in 1 ½ to 2 years. That drags the entire issue into the next 5-year Management Plan! How is it possible or justified to the expense to put “more effort” over the next year to develop a vision for the area…was that not the intent of the the last 2 ½ years?

Can the many people, groups, businesses and communities that have spoken to the need and support to revitalize the ski area word it in any different manner in the next 2 years? We might imagine why those, whom in the past attempted to get a handle on the ski area, had to walk away in frustration; further discouraging others.

We all look forward to this feasibility study and any other direction it might offer to the obvious. Financing sources to clean up and begin redevelopment of the area, for a multitude of recreational activities, are only available now.

We only hope it can happen sooner than later. 

-(January 25, 2010) It can be no secret that numerous sport and outdoor recreation groups can also see the opportunities Agassiz can offer to further their enjoyment. In all, we have been contacted by over 45 such groups - most everything applicable from the Special Olympics organization to the local snowmobile groups.

At present, snowmobiling is prohibited in the National Parks yet widely popular in our Provincial Parks. Imagine the attraction the terrain and consistent snow coverage RMNP could offer to these enthusiasts...no other like it in the province.

In the last two weeks we have discussed and studied (guess we could call it a "focus study group", without the official expense) the opportunity with snowmobile clubs, what can be presented as part and parcel with Agassiz being offered as a hub.

Well let it be said we were all on the same page! The trail network, the safety considerations, and the economical spin-offs were all very obvious and, although we've used the word often, a "showcase"  of recreation. A great opportunity to connect families back to the Park.

It can be as great a complement and use of the terrain and facilities as say -

a ski area!

-(January 23, 2010) This goes to the conceptual in having the Agassiz site as a hub of activity:

In 2007, we began encouraging sport and activity groups from Winnipeg to venture to the Park. Besides wanting them to become familiar with the unique terrain we observed their experiences to further form our studies, as well as to gather input to the expectations of these enthusiasts. Few of the many people we brought up had any experience with the east escarpment; in fact, few had been to the Park other than visits to Clear Lake. Which was not totally accurate…many soon recalled they had ventured Agassiz often in their youth and as most do, offered memories so clear as if they were there yesterday (school bus trips, family outings, jumping in the car with a group of friends…the vivid memory shows to the impact an outing to Agassiz offered. It’s about so much more than just the skiing & boarding; it’s the family and social experience these activities offer).

Nevertheless, one of these groups is Skijorers. A quickly growing activity whereas your dog(s) pull you either on skis or a kick sled. It’s a blast and great exercise for both the dogs and the Jorers.

Photo Credit: Prairie View School of Photography

After their first experience in spring 2008, they returned a couple more times including, most recently spring 2009. It appeared the spring outing would become annual as the trails held snow later into the season than other areas of the province. Besides the benefit of the great activity to the participants, they would lodge 1-2 nights in the McCreary area, purchase meals and gas, and even write about their experiences in the newspaper! A “win-win” situation that could be replicated with other groups from throughout the province. We have since brought numerous other groups (mountain bikers, x-c skiers, snow shoe hikers, birders, hostelling adventurists, and even a photography group from Brandon) into the region – many for their first time.

We have further discussed expectations with most other groups that could play a part in “filling the nest” to make for a viable area of activity and untapped experiences…something for everyone. We of course have a clear handle on what the ski and snowboard markets expect, as that is what we aspire to offer as the required driver.

 Above: Gord's Ski & Bike Club, summer 2009

In the end resolve, many look to what we might call “a near wilderness experience”. They want the solitude of “being one with nature” fully embraced in their passion (activity) yet the safety and security of a central structured hub with common amenities, first aid, communications, parking, guidance, food and services. They require monitored and maintained trails. They want a location where they can socialize their experiences at the end of the day. A location where others in their family / group won’t be left at home as they can opt for a different activity offered. A location that will attract them from the major centers in Manitoba and a meeting place with already familiar notoriety.

Again, in a nutshell, a location where they can connect with nature, health, friends, family and others of similar interests and passions.

This is viable to so many realms beyond simply the economic benefit; look to the bigger picture.

No one can argue the Agassiz site does not offer the opportunity and wouldn't serve to be a showcase of activity and experiences. It's simply a no-brainer!

Should also offer we've brought long-time residents of McCreary, the region, and Clear Lake to the trails of the east escarpment. Many unaware such an experience was there in their own backyard. That goes to marketability!

Unfortunately, the Skijorers have opted for a different location this spring. It’s still near the Park and McCreary, yet it offers some of the above in that they are looking for.

We still look forward to having a blast!

 

-(January 22, 2010...further to a posting Dec.4, '09) “ In that the Mt. Agassiz Ski Area has a long standing heritage value within the National Park system…”

That said, in the tentative acceptance of a proposal by the owners of the ski area (prior to 2000) for on-site accommodation facilities as well as permission to replace the T-Bar lifts with a chairlift, some additional slope clearing (ie. Wimp’s run located east of Raven’s), and other improvements in order to progress into the next century. This also included, within the proposal, positive consideration to a 4-season operation.

Well, that hinged on several factors, one being a review by Parks Canada that factored several years of study, and secondly, a consistent position by the then-present federal ministry.

With a competing resort being completed in the region the time line for studies would not offer the immediate need for improvements to compete. And then the real kicker, the federal government changed and any options within the National Parks were put to a sudden halt.

Further, factor in that the two long-time and beloved General Managers (Mark and Kitty) had chosen to pursue different careers (that had long been close to their hearts), and we might imagine most business owners would simply throw up their arms – even though the business had maintained 40 years of success. Efforts to sell the resort were fruitless with such obstacles in place, and our personal observation imagines the owners had now tired of banging their heads against the wall, and could either choose to progress (not possible) or simply move on. We all know what choice was made in 2000.

Bankruptcy is no longer a dirty word and doesn’t show to what can be the possibility, with “restructuring”, to future viability. Yet, the benefits to the revitalization of Agassiz go well beyond the viable complement it can offer.

One can only imagine how the previous administration’s pressures & expectations, with little knowledge, understanding or interest to the business, might have played into the owner’s frustration and decision to walk away in 2000. Concerns as petty as complaints to the accuracy of snow condition reporting would come across the owner’s desk during this decision making period, and yet, of recent, Parks Canada have acknowledged how difficult it is in reporting current up-dates on their own X-C ski trails. Let’s not even venture to the period Parks Canada manned a booth to collect Park Pass revenue…that was a devastating blow to the ski area that it never recovered from.

Might we appear to be standing up for the past owners’ of Agassiz? Yes, with several considerations, yet beyond that the above better informs to the reasoning of the owner’s decision in 2000, it offers the broader picture than that is currently portrayed. To understand the nature of the business and the pitfalls that can come with operating such an operation hopefully sheds more understanding and different light to numerous opinions.

 

 

 

-(January 21, 2010)

“This is your Park. You own it”, January 2009.

We can see from the response many got the drift in yesterday’s posting, and were aware that numerous groups during 2000 – 2007 were coming forward with intentions to revitalize the ski area. The circumstances Parks had allowed to take place from the onset, as well as the lack of proactively cooperating towards an operator ultimately resigned these groups in moving forward. In a nutshell, discouraged and frustrated attempting to foster with Parks Canada.

Yesterday’s posted quote from PC in 2008 can no longer be the accurate explanation that many are offered when they ask the reasoning behind Parks decision to not entertain the idea of a ski area.

When AMDG first jumped into the fray in 2006, consultations with some of these past groups, businesses and associates clearly indicated there was little if any opportunity to move anything forward with Parks. This at a time when Parks were still saying to Ministers and the public “we are actively seeking an operator”. We may have told this story before, but when we first approached Parks for such information, we were was told nothing was left at the area (including the lifts and buildings) and there was nothing to see. Ironically, one of the persons that told us such had never ever been to the ski area! Imagine our surprise when we insisted on visiting the area anyways…this showed the first indication few were communicating with much other than hearsay and rhetoric. It was our reaction that day that continues to drive this mission, which now entails the expertise and experience of many persons, organizations, special interest groups, First Nations, and local and provincial governments. It also formed the foundation that had been versed from day one; this project requires open communication, transparency, and consistency to maintain being an adhesive and productive group.

We would all prefer to not dwell on the past, but as this decision to not have a ski area operate was derived at from the past actions and inactions of PC – any rationale or understanding must stem from looking back at the past. There is no indication any parties, other than the previous administration of RMNP, were consulted or involved in the decision of 2007, just as there were no other parties involved in circumstances that led up to that decision.

Why terminate the remaining period of original lease (June 2009) to forego what was said to be a concerted effort to re-establish interest in the operation? Instead, rush to judgment in November 2007.  We are told it was to gain control of the area for safety and liability reasons, yet there were 7 years prior to the decision to take some measure of safety precautions to the site and its been 2 ½ years since Parks did take control. That said, go visit the area today.

This is not an asset to Parks, but an incredible liability created by the previous administration’s lack of diligence. Now that there are serious parties willing to clean up that area and manage it properly, and breathe life back into the region; the integrity of the area, the surrounding communities, RMNP, and the province for that matter – would be greatly enhanced.

If it is the Parks’ intention to connect people to nature and health,this stonewalling of what would be a showcase to such, certainly does not appear to be the route.

National Parks are there for us to enjoy all they have to offer. We can hope any agenda does not determine to forego this incredible opportunity to connect and reconnect many to what were, and can be,  lifetime experiences with vast encompassing benefits.

Many believe the communities have, in the last 2 1/2 years of gatherings and meetings, overwhelming brought the case forward for the ski area. They see they have incredible natural resource to what the East Escarpment can offer. Yet, they are realistic to such alternatives being viable or marketable to any degree in order they can be maintained and sustainable. Our research shows the above not obtainable without the ski area being the driver of safe, controlled, and the marketed hub of activity.

In that Parks Canada continue to reiterate that the communities input is paramount, why continue with costly meetings, studies and assessments to hear the same resolve when it has already been spoken.

If it is to ensure the ski area be viable for another 40 years to avoid the situation it is in today, well, there are no guarantees in life or business. If it were, in 20 years, to end up the same situation as we have today...the benefits to the communities and the public would be vastly better and further realized than they are being stifled today.

It is the right time to stop spinning wheels in order to progress forward.

 

-(January 20, 2010) “It is not that Parks Canada doesn’t want a ski hill to operate it is just that it has been 8 years and no one has stepped forward to purchase and satisfy the financial interests. Because of that we have acted”. Quote from RMNP Official, April 2008.

 Somewhat a contradiction as a consortium of First Nations had, prior to this date, twice offered its Expression of Interest to re-develop the ski area in March, 2008, with its initial Expression of Interest presented in June of 2006. Ironic it was delivered during Aboriginal Day 2006 where the traditional heritage of First Nations and its connection to the Park are celebrated.

It was felt the decision was not fully analyzed, and disappointment expressed they were not consulted before the decision being made in 2007. This while the initial Expression of Interest was on the table since June, 2006, and not responded to.

Numerous groups and businesses had also expressed interest since the ski area closure in 2000. All became discouraged with the lack of communication and accurate resolve to issues represented.

With no response to the initial Expression in 2006, First Nations were offered that “Parks Canada had studied the viability of operating the Mt. Agassiz site as a ski resort and they felt it was not viable.” They, as does AMDG, questioned this analysis and from the onset asked what mentioned study and consultation from the communities and First Nations arrived at the conclusion to not have the ski area operate. The only access found to any consultation is from minutes of the RMNP Advisory Committee during 2004, whereas the ski area is favored but they are somewhat in the dark requesting further information.

The First Nations communities wish to revitalize and create past and new opportunities in their communities, such as the Lake Catherine site. They realize that such may not be viable operations on its own, yet year round operations including the Agassiz Ski Area as a driver will make the complete operations successful.

Of recent, Parks Canada indicates it has funding to “perform a feasibility study to determine what options for year round activities would be best suited for the former Agassiz Ski Hill site.” In that for the past 2 ½ years the communities have insisted any alternatives would not be viable or marketable without the ski area in operation, can they be optimistic in looking forward to another 2 ½ years of studies to arrive at the same resolve. In that many feel that the situation has simply come full circle, it is discouraging while an incredible asset to benefits and opportunity sits idle as an on-going liability.

-(January 19, 2010) In that this site has, from recent media attention now averages 500-700 visits daily (832 visits yesterday) we find it's becoming time to offer the full picture on what put Agassiz in this position and the on-going indecisiveness that keeps it in a deadlock.

It really frustrates many when Parks speak that the safety of the site is paramount. To give some examples of the reckless regard to safety a person need no other example than to visit it for themselves. An effort to fence off the dangerous decking, and securing of the doors was fruitless, as all were again accessible soon after this attempt to mediate (as they are today). Storage fuel tanks haphazardly "misplaced" even through we had offered the costly procedures for proper removal...sure someone at the Parks office could argue they were already removed while we were at the site with the tanks in view! Another stray fuel tank that we noted to Parks for 2 years, was finally located by Parks following the controlled burn last summer. They were so proud to have found the tank that it was even announced at a meeting in Neepawa, yet the damage it could have caused during the controlled burn a sign of the reckless regard to our Park. Of recent, we came upon the site to commandeer keys from a young person making use of a ATV Quad left by Parks, with it's keys in it!

We wrote Parks Canada often of safety concerns and offered from the onset of their 2007 decision to close opportunity to the ski area "the most manageable method to maintain ecological integrity (and safety) is to have such a leasehold operating. That being said, the neglect of the Agassiz Ski Hill over the past 7-years may be termed by some as an ecological disaster....in of all places, a National Park." A blatant disregard to property entrusted  to Parks Canada while the people's will is being stifled with unnecessary and costly procedure.

Example of email received on the topic :

 “The farthest from the truth would be representations by RMNP alluding to Safety considerations being the reason for their kyboshing future operation of the Ski Hill. This statement would be erroneous and contradictory and could only be for the purpose of enabling their self imposed mandate to spend huge amounts of taxpayer’s money destroying a Historical Ski Hill.

The Agassiz Ski Area, since closure in year 2000 has been and continues to be a Public liability allowed to remain vacant and unsupervised, as RMNP officials have permitted to-date. Prudent operation of the Hill is in the better interest of all the taxpaying stakeholders of this Park as well as its’ surrounding communities.”

“It should be obvious that if Parks Canada knew what they were doing, they wouldn’t be trying to dissolve Mt. Agassiz. They should give us what we are saying we want. When they finally looked into the bogus claim that another ski hill held the lease (in 2007, after resort sat since 2000) they should have looked into getting it operated instead of rendering it closed forever! Something was being swept under the table for them to jump to judgment so quickly after letting it sit idle for 7 years. I understand several businesses were interested until the claim another hill held the lease came up. Should we be kept from such a great ski hill because the Parks people didn’t know what was going on for 7 years? Someone should look into this.”

Those wishing to redevelopment the opportunities, as well as the communities and general public are becoming frustrated and questioning why Parks Canada are making the obvious so difficult to achieve. The announcement it may take 3 years to form a decision does not play well with the community's image towards cooperation  from Parks Canada.

Tomorrow's Coffee Chat, what circumstances, created or ignored by the previous administration, not only contributed to Agassiz's closure, but kept many interested parties frustrated in their efforts to re-operate in the 7 - years following it's closure.

 

Coffee Chat continues Jan.19, 2010

This site is getting an incredible number of visits per day now. That's shows there is a sizable amount of interest in the revitalization of Agassiz. I figure Parks don't visit the site, as they don't appear aware ( or want to acknowledge) the great amount of support there is - and increasing.  More on this in the next few days of Coffee Chat

-(January 15, 2010)Many have remarked on media reports of Parks Canada doing somewhat a flip flop from their previous stance of “no ski area” to now looking into a feasibility study.  As stated, PC has finally figured “there’s still a tremendous amount of interest in skiing (at Mount Agassiz)”.

Well, don’t wax up your boards just yet!

Many question as to why it has taken this long for Parks Canada to look into an “area strategy” for their own Park? Gatherings, meetings, and insight have been going on since they took control of the area in 2007…at least 2 feasibility studies were available prior to the new mandate in 2007 that were positive to a ski area operation. AMDG offered some time ago that if it was a feasibility study holding this back (as well as an Environmental Impact Assessment) we would in good faith contribute the expense of such. No reply.

We had foreseen this requirement and as such have had an on-going study undertaken as of last spring. It’s the determinations of the study that have convinced us to remain consistent in our plans for the area…which go well beyond being just a ski area.

We can offer that a feasibility study commissioned by PC to encompass activity and alternate possibilities on the East Escarpment will not show viability or sustainability to any present initiatives without the ski area being the driver and the activity hub. In such we are at an impasse as one department at PC has a working plan with a priority being trail hubs at the Agassiz site, while another state projects “at the Agassiz site would be premature at this time”. Beyond the fact it’s been over 2 years that PC have been offered alternative activity proposals for the site, PC has installed an outhouse facility and horse hitch area at the resort.

In conversation with other regions and departments in Parks Canada, there are major movements to avoid closing or rehabitation of such venues and look to public / private partnership for such ventures. Those have also offered our efforts fit in perfectly with the current undertaking and plan of PC in areas throughout the National Park system.

Nevertheless, these studies should have been commissioned from the onset and without a doubt even prior, to the previous administration contributing to the circumstances resulting in PC making an unsubstantiated decision to not offer the use of the ski area prior to 2007. At the time, as it shows now, the conclusion of a study would have suggested to actively seek an operator (at least two Expressions of Interest were on the table in 2007…yet no reply) or partnership to avoid the indecisive positions of present. It shall be sometime before we will again be allowed to enjoy, what is a liability at present, this incredible asset for enjoyment, recreation, and appreciation within our National Park.

 

-(January 13, 2010) Many are now aware that Parks Canada has done a 180 degree turn in offering that a ski area may now be best suited for the Agassiz Ski Area site. In that over the last two years, no viable alternatives have been offered that could sustain the operating costs, or offer the marketability for success...without the ski area being the driver...Parks Canada has just recently looked into doing a feasibility study (any influx of economic activity to the region is a plus) to determine what is best suited for the site.

To skiers, boarders, mountain bikers, hikers, horse outfitters, educators, outdoor enthusiasts, and many other special interest groups...this appears a no-brainer.

Make use of Agassiz as a hub and driver for a safe, monitored  and controlled environment offering these activities (and more), experiences and adventures. All this with no additional stress on the Park. Yet, as such, proper procedures are mandated to further such projects in National Parks, and in business as a whole. We can only hope that PC can offer such in a timely fashion and perform other required studies (Environmental Impact Assessment) during the same period.

It is unfortunate it has taken to this date for these motions to begin. From the onset of the closure in 2000, Parks Canada should have been very proactive in seeking operation of, what many consider, one of the flagships to tourism, recreation and economic development in the region, the province and RMNP. 

-(January 12, 2010) We noticed during our time in the Banff / Canmore area a very noticeable lack of Manitoba / Saskatchewan visitors, and of course the resort operators also had taken note of such (parking lot license plate counts are done daily during most holiday periods). Although at Sunshine parking had overflowed to the point cars were parked all the way to the Trans-Canada (8 km)   { understand Parks Canada has recently approved expansion of parking lot instead of allowing parking in animal corridors} there were few if any MB. & Sask. plates to be seen. This goes to our present economy and the lack of any marketing in the prairies.

Of course, this absence of what was once a strong market, may play into any results of a feasibility study.

Yet fear not, as the skier and snowboarder markets continue to grow as resorts reinvent themselves and their marketing incentives. The Calgary Herald recently reported that the Banff resorts are again at par with the highest reported year of skier visits (2 years ago - 20.5 million visits in Canada). What has also been noticed is a somewhat depressed economy has skiers in most regions looking closer to home when planning their vacations and, as I mentioned before, day trippers have before the norm (various reasons).

The revitalization of these markets in the major centers and throughout Manitoba will be of utmost effort in the marketing of the Agassiz project by AMDG.

 We look forward to seeing old and new friends on the slopes.

 

2009 in Review -

A few neat BLOGS about adventures at Agassiz during this past summer, from Prairiemango Tourism...

 

http://www.prairiemango.ca/overlooking-the-past-atop-the-mountain

http://www.prairiemango.ca/a-mountain-of-opportunity

http://www.prairiemango.ca/flatlanders-get-their-vertical

 

-(January 11, 2010) During the Christmas period, we did site visits of presently closed ski areas on the prairies. Ochapawace, located on First Nation's land in the Qu'Appelle Valley, near Broadview, Sask.,  was our first stop. Located 4 hours from Winnipeg, 2 hours from Brandon, and 1 1/2 hours from Regina closed in 2007. It is now being revitalized with an addition of a summer water slide, and may reopen on a limited basis next month.

Ochap Ski Area...rich in opportunities and sure to capitalize on the Regina & surrounding markets. Same vertical as Agassiz with natural terrain serviced by 4 lifts.

 

Next stop was Blackstrap near Saskatoon, closed in 2008 only months after the Saskatchewan government put new equipment into the resort. Blackstrap was constructed for the 1971 Canada Winter Games and the government seeked to reopen it until the main lodge burned down last spring. We remain ongoing with the Saskatchewan government to rekindle the possibility of a 4-season resort at the site.

Some of the "next to new" equipment may go to tender this spring.

Our next stop, and main destination was at the Banff region ski area Sunshine Village. And yes, it is an operating ski area with much success and innovative ecological practices. Sunshine Village has long been owned by a family familiar with, and alumni to Agassiz.

After a fire destroyed the Goat's Eye "bubble" 2 years ago, the  leased modules (pictured below) were placed on site within 2 weeks. With a kitchen capable of mass food service you can't fathom you're in several modules of portable Atco trailers. They are very clean, warm, and comfortable; as well pretty much maintenance free and energy efficient. This structure is also quite minor to any evasiveness to the footprint.

We bring this structure to mind in light of the thought the buildings at Agassiz are not salvageable... beyond the opinion in that we have had several "second opinions" to the assessment made to the state of the buildings. There are several options available which do not include the complete destruction of the buildings presently at the Agassiz site.

One should understand the prairie province ski resorts are a feeder to these mountain destinations. In such, all support the revitalization of the Agassiz Ski Area.

 

 

 

-(January  8, 2010) 844 WebSite Visits...What an overwhelming day after RCR on CJOB. Hold on tight and enjoy the ride! Media requests like crazy...guess it was unattainable until we held fast.

 

 -(December 19, 2009) Excerpt from reply to question asked at skiagassiz.com...

"I'm sure we could write a couple books on the ins and outs of what went on, what's currently going on to further this, and what obstacles we're still sure to encounter. Been an incredible learning experience as we've needed to be versed in such a wide range of areas to offer proper rationale and procedure. Everything from Eco Management to deficits in our nature/fitness experiences.

We are quite confident, from talks with PC, the 'people's will' shall have opportunity for a ski area, and an area of diverse activity, in the next plan. Our voices, with rationale, are being heard. I need not express we're dealing with policy.

I reflect on something very dear to many folks, like yourself, that note you have two children. So many folks wish to pass on & offer the great experiences they had (to their children, and to many that now have grandchildren) in the McCreary area, because of the ski resort. The entire project is about so much more than a ski area...

Please check out Face Book support group "Mt.Agassiz - Save Our Mountains", and website  www.skiagassiz.com

Our Business and Operating Plans are constantly being revised due to the continuing changes to this project. We hope to further present when the door opens...You are welcome to join us for a site visit if ever in the area. It's really quite an eye-opener as most of the equipment & structures are as they were when closed in 2000.

I should offer that the previous owners and any misrepresented ownership / lease has been legally taken out of the picture. Future steps for Parks Canada might be to offer tender on the opportunity, of which, would include the lifts, buildings, etc. A feasibility assessment is presently in the works which shows the openness of Parks to the ski resort operation, which, if you are up on the situation, is a welcome "about-face" on Parks stance from the previous 3 years. We hope to work with Parks to this end, but can only hope such a decision is made before much may become too costly to refurbish from present deterioration and vandalism."

- (December 17, 2009) AMDG has remained consistent in our means and methodology to further our objective to offering a 4-season destination for recreation, education, and interpretation.

We only hope these postings have not ruffled any feathers, as we offer such to educate on realistic expectations, as we remain optimistic and encouraged by the overwhelming support from the onset right up to recent.

We all can give many  good reasons for such a ski area to again operate, yet from a business point of view there are also reasons otherwise. It is with rational, experienced people and associations we can say we have over come many of those reasons.

Any major aspect and cost relative to the success of any business has to be the staffing. The rural communities are difficult to source such, as to be successful the staff must be knowledgeable, passionate and committed. That is why AMDG has focused to involve the surrounding First Nations communities, even beyond the Agassiz project.

Long gone are the day that prairie ski operations could rely on the local farmers in the winter. Now with bigger farms, these folk work 24/7 all year round within their own operations. Other ski resort regions in Manitoba now must need bring in staff from beyond Canada. I understand Holiday Mountain has about 17 Aussies in their small contingent of staff, and hear Asessippi has many more than that. Sure they'd spend their wages in the communities, but it doesn't offer any forecasts for local's employment - as the locals are already busy working in other areas, or retired.

Prospects and projections of economic development, beyond being rationally realistic, is unfair and irresponsible to the sake of the expectations and aspirations of the communities.

"Canada’s workforce is aging. A skill shortage is expected by 2010. Over the next decade, the Canadian tourism sector can expect a shortfall of 300,000 employees!

Tourism businesses, small and large, must be better able to

attract alternative labour sources to compete successfully in the

future. The immigrant workforce, Canadian-born visible

minorities, mature workers, persons with disabilities and

Aboriginal peoples have long been overlooked, and as a result

talent is wasted by either not employing or under employing

qualified candidates." MTEC, January 2010

 

- - (December 13) Someone had to remind us of a point omitted in yesterday's post in relation to major costs in any rehabitation of the area : In that Hydro estimates it would cost close to one million  dollars today (without factoring in the topographical costs) to put in a hydro line and corridor (as is in place today) ; what may it cost to take out the hydro line and reclaim the corridor to nature?

- (December 12, 2009 - 2 postings per today) 278 Website visits yesterday.

As previously posted on December 9, we receive a fair amount of email requests for information and much feedback support. Here is an example of such, from a frustrated supporter now living in BC, received yesterday...

A visitor to skiagassiz.com has sent a message through your form.

  First Name : Wayne
  Last Name : ****  Email : ****  Mobile Phone : ****

 

Comments : "I often seek out photos on the web from Mount Agassiz. I have many happy memories travelling on the day ski bus from the airbase at Rivers where we lived to ski at Mount Agassiz  , and later from Winnipeg. I learned to love the outdoors through these experiences and I was dumbstruck to discover that this is now no longer an option for current and future generations. It is another example of the will of the people being superseded by a few bureaucrats.  Enough is enough;  let the people enjoy their own country once again!"

Speaks volumes... "learned to love the outdoors through these experiences". Also somewhat ironic that both military bases in Manitoba had requested information (assumed Agassiz was operating) for on-going recreation programs to offer the personnel and their families. In an era where physical fitness and nature deficit is a serious and present concern, it frustrates many that such a showcase to fitness and nature sits idle.

So to step it up a notch and allow for more "food for thought", came up with a contest to encourage more chat.

In that Agassiz was, and can again be, a feeder for the mountain resorts it was not too difficult to make a call and get a support prize. Simply offer a comment, memory, and/or suggestion (less than 100 words) at admin@skiagassiz.com for your chance at 2 days lifts and accommodation at your choice of any Banff ski destination. Draw will be done February 15, 2010 - just in time for spring!

Wayne...you're entered.

- (December 12, 2009) 278 Website visits yesterday.

Today's post being done just prior to heading out to the area. We have had to postpone our media tour today as the weather likely wouldn't make for a positive experience and first impression. Ironically, we were offered that the site is unsafe and we should not be venturing to the hill. Funny that after 10 years, in a National Park, little effort has been performed to secure the buildings and mediate issues on the land itself.

AMDG, after most visits, offers our concerns to safety and security on the property. We have witnessed, what could have been near a turn-key operation in 2007, deteriorate into a costly refurbishment, to the point the odd assessor recommends demolition of the buildings (we have had numerous experts to the site that balk at that suggestion).

AMDG has gone as far (with concern to future pending damages which have now materialized) as to offer repair to the culvert (so it might not get to the point it is at today) and the boarding up of broken windows and mediation to the roof problem. The culvert and the roof are now left to the point of extremely costly repair or removal. The realization to the cost to rehabitate the area seems to be just now sinking in. Miles of underground snow pipe and wiring, 80 foot deep lift tower moorings, retreeing the area (recall resort was destumped at onset), and likely an expensive reclaiming of the parking lot...only some of the very evasion actions to rehab the area. Then you have to '"rehab the rehab" from the equipment damage caused by the reclaim.

We might figure such a project could rank right up there with one of the most expensive in recent history of the agency. This now creates another Catch-22...of which there have been several that have dragged this situation on.

Makes you wonder if there may be a less expensive and far reaching beneficial solution?

 

- (December 11, 2009) We’ll nip the following in the butt before any misinterpretation may get out there...

For those familiar with the ski area, recall that the creek (McKinnon) runs west to east under the base of the lifts and Bunny Hill via a large culvert. This culvert is over 400 feet in length.

Over the years, without an annual spring and fall inspection, the water had been backed up and the freeze / thaw process has created extensive damage leading to the flow being diverted underneath the culvert. Not only does this cause erosion, which in turn has created dangerous sinkholes, it has created a very serious situation for the natural processes in the life of the creek.

Mother Nature can be an awesome force.

Beyond the flooding and further opportunity for sinkholes this coming spring, stocked Trout are unable to spawn. Although we had been making Parks aware of our concerns to mediate the damaging effects of the culvert for some time, we were unaware the creek had been stocked with Trout, which are required to spawn. This topic partly shows to the scope and range of expertise, research, and self-education AMDG has required to fully appreciate and offer solution to the many factors in redevelopment…well beyond simply operating a ski area.

In offering such, the options are either to replace or repair the culvert. We imagine such expense was never factored into the cost of rehabitation of the area. Further, if the next Management Plan allows for the redevelopment of the ski area, where does that put any alternative to the costly repair / replacement of the culvert?

To answer above, requires some history dating back to the initial creation of the ski area. It continues to overwhelm, in 1961, what the cost and effort to construct that culvert to divert a sizable creek for 400 feet? It surely shows dedication to the ski hill project by those involved in the beginning and they must be complimented for such. However, in remedy to today’s situation, we suggest removal of the culvert and put the creek back to nature with its natural flow. Still a costly project, but imagine such a spectacular site in the summer. The character created with bridging to access the hill for mountain biking, hiking, wilderness camping, and horseback riding would certainly add to the showcase the area can be.

In 1961, there was not yet the invention of snow-making (note the slopes were picked clean of stumps and rocks which is why, even today, trees would need to be planted for a complete rehab) thus the creek could not be filled in during the winter. The natural creek flow would continue under the ice. Bridging could alternately be used in the winter as I’m sure most are familiar of same at many ski areas for crossing creeks, and even roads.

What an outstanding and natural site this would complement.

 

McKinnon Creek - Flowing downstream from the ski area could create an outstanding trail for horseback, hiking, and mountain biking.

Such a trail, of an additional descent of 4 kms. from the base of the ski area, would complement the trail system that could be developed and marketed (non-evasively) at the ski area.

Area in which the culvert crosses.

 -(December 10, 2009) There are additions, today, being made in earlier postings. They are highlighted in red. Scroll down to earlier posts.

312 Website visits yesterday.

The current administration of Riding Mountain National Park are proactive and enthusiastic in seeking alternatives and use of the ski area site to the benefit and enjoyment to all. We strive to look forward in working with Parks Canada – RMNP to assist on any realms in creating what surely can be a provincial showcase for recreation and ecological experiences, education, and family-oriented adventures.

We have continued to persevere to this end, in that our research remains with little rationale (yet much potential to opportunities) as to consultations that could have determined, in 2007, that it was not in the public’s interest to have the prairie’s finest ski facility be the driver for any proposed alternative uses to enhance tourism and the economies of the East Escarpment. With effort and expense, we continue to encourage groups such as ski-jorers, mountain biking, alpine ski clubs, and other special interest groups from Winnipeg and Brandon to venture for the experiences the area uniquely has to offer. All become converts and supporters of our mission.

-(December 10, 2009)Looks like all resorts making great strides in their snow-making and appears most will be (in the least partly) open December 12 weekend. Check their sites for confirmation.

See Asessippi.com for the process of 'making snow'.

We recently returned from the ski hill site after 7 days of bringing some stuff out of the area, but most importantly we had access for several engineers & industry savvy professionals. We'd like to remark on the perception and correct that our group (AMDG) is NOT solely Kelly Rose, but some of the most knowledgeable & experienced people in the ski, recreation, hospitality, financial, tourism, First Nations, and environmental sectors to be found. AMDG is as it defines itself; is a development group to develop - not operate recreational resort areas, is now by circumstance involved in 7 ski area rebrandings / organizational restructurings in Canada. All from once being community operated organizations.

 

-(December 10, 2009) The Management and Resource Team selected by AMDG comprises of vastly experienced and creative resources in the recreation, hospitality, marketing, tourism, and financial sectors required to further this mission.

AGASSIZ MOUNTAIN DEVELOPMENT GROUP (AMDG) continues to gather support to it’s mission by offering activities and encouraging use of the East Escarpment for the likes of mountain biking, hiking, skijoring, and horseback riding. To date, over 200 persons have been made aware, firsthand, of the opportunities that exist due to the encouragement of AMDG. This “means to an end” is actually the course any organization must exemplify to gather support for the mission’s benefit to it’s community.

We continue to update our on-going assessments on all aspects of the infrastructure and surrounding area, including the state of the market in Canada, and in particular, Manitoba. We continue to seek expertise and partner co-operation with other “proposed use-interest groups” on all areas of our conceptual plans for a clearer understanding and a common, realistic vision within all parties. Liaison with First Nations communities are on-going with expectations offering exciting benefits/opportunities to all involved, including the end-user – the public.

For clarification, AMDG ARE NOT of the same organization noted in a recent Aviva community-based contest - although we surely support it's efforts. We are quite timely working on some new developments that have surfaced of recent, and will offer same in the course of the next two months.

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 -AMDG is not partnered with the past management / ownership of Agassiz. We are proud to say we remain friends and gain invaluable insight (as any prospective business should) from those that operated the successful ski area for 40 years.

-(December 9, 2009) The government isn't the big issue. They support what was, and can again be, a major driver in tourism and the local economy.

The processes are there for good reason. It's such a no-brainer, and yet, of course all knew nothing could happen overnight. It's only disheartening as when we visit the property you simply envision so many opportunities for everyone to enjoy. A new found friend (because of Agassiz) from McCreary put it best recently, after we had walked in:

"You simply can't appreciate the possibilities until you see this place first hand. You can preach the merits 'til the cows come home, but people need see it for themselves. No if, and, or but, this has to happen".

The number of requests the Agassiz site gets each week is overwhelming , from folks that assume it's operating, for everything from ticket prices, requests to have family gatherings there (even weddings), what the school group rates are, etc., shows the demand. The region and community offer great character and personality, and everyone should have reason to experience it.

And, we did bring the cows home!

 

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 -(December 8, 2009) In that Parks Canada Guidelines for Ski Areas do not allow for summer (multi-seasonal) use at ski area leaseholds, alternative use during the summer in combination with a ski area in the winter is somewhat a Catch-22. Even with Selection Change to the present Management Plan to offer such, one must understand the other 4 ski areas with Parks Canada boundaries (Jasper and Banff) will contest to receive same opportunity to their operations, and would certainly open a whole can of worms and concerns. Even in considering that Guideline may be quite antiquated, it would open the floodgates for these other ski areas in the National Parks. If such Selective Change did occur and further opposed or concerning to Parks Canada, option for "winter seasonal use only" would remedy such with operation only being a ski area (or vise versa). This would not offer 4 season venue for the alternative, and additional, viable and sustainable opportunities in recreation and education.

With consideration and known rational behind the above Guideline, need tread lightly and with understanding to what can be expected or asked for.

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-(December 4, 2009)Today we'll only comment on what we have heard of late. In that Agassiz needs the community's support from Neepawa to Dauphin, it can also be said the communities' need Agassiz.  Recall a time that McCreary had 4 service stations and several eateries. Several second home compounds. Would the present lodge/motel have been built by the Jonasson's had it not been for Agassiz.

Few contribute the 40 years in operation of Agassiz to the growth of the area, in it's time. Many communities in the region came & went in those 40 years. Yet, there is much second-hand hearsay to any lack of community involvement with the past operators of Agassiz...that goes both ways and those that have first hand knowledge know otherwise.

 -The past management / ownership of Agassiz do not have shares or interest in any other ski area.

 -Any other ski area buying the opportunity to operate (or, to not operate Agassiz) is actually considered a shrewd business move. Be it many may look upon ‘buying out the competition’ as unethical they need only look to business today – it is common practice and likely you may find examples throughout one’s own community. The bad taste in some folk’s mouths doesn’t offer opportunity to put that past behind and certainly does not encourage cooperation between the ski areas to complement the sport in the province.

 

 -The assets of Agassiz were available to all in 2003; it went to the group that brought the money to the table - and not in a suitcase!

 -Agassiz was put into its situation in spring of 2000 for several rationale reasons. I don’t believe previous management of the ski area should take the blunt until folks are aware of the entire circumstances that led to such a decision. It certainly was not because the ski area was not viable. (More on this at a later date).

 -Reflecting on some recent contest comments. There were, and are, many locally-based ski areas in Canada that are in positions where they considered not operating this winter. Most were bailed out by their communities or the bank. It’s pretty tough out there for ski area and the hospitality industries – the trend has turned to one-day outings with less frequency. Count the number of weekends in our winter and please consider how many people venture outdoors in January in Manitoba. It may be strange to hear such from a group advocating the reopening of Agassiz, but beyond being realistic, it should be positively noted Agassiz can be positioned to create and take advantage of the current marketability for such recreation, family experiences, and it’s uniqueness in Manitoba. It has to be much more than simply a ski area, and does not happen by simply turning on a key.

The annual expense each fall in simply getting a current operation up and running is overwhelming – and of risk. It requires marketability beyond simply just the ski / snowboarder market.

In saying such, there is little chance any alternative activity (or even a combination of activities) can provide the requirements for some of the major expenses, such being hydro, building restoration and maintenance, potable, waste water and sewage infrastructure, equipment, insurance, marketing, training and wages – and the list goes on. This, without the driver, name recognition, and combined marketing efforts of the ski area are unrealistic. You can have the best facilities around but you need the whole package in order to market it to what has to be a wide and diverse market of guests. Feasibility and profitability come into play here.

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-(November 28, 2009) A posting by Anonymous (wish folks would use their name to add credit to a comment's motive) suggesting "Native Bands and Municipalities along the East Escarpment would have a hard time justifying much needed money for their own local projects going into a National Park."

This is very true.

Of course it it expected that as much local workforce and sourcing  should be available to the First Nations and local residents, this project CANNOT rely on hand-outs of funding from the local or provincial governments. Besides the fact it's simply not there, there are other priorities within these communities that must be met for all it's citizen's benefit.

To think putting all the eggs in one basket by creating a ski area will suddenly create enough local economic development to attend to those priorities is unrealistic. Simply can't put the cart before the horse. It will take years to see "second-home" taxpayer income, and other such benefits.

In saying such, the region from Neepawa to Ste. Rose (maybe as far as Dauphin) has a unique asset, in their own backyard,  other communities could only hope for.

We'll also note here that AMDG has a dedicated  person in position that is in liaison with the First Nations communities.

 -AMDG has taken every opportunity to gather expertise and advice from a wide-range of experienced professionals; ski area operators, architects and restoration experts, engineers, building contractors, design, and planners, tourism marketers, food services and hospitality experts, risk and financial professionals, leaders of successful operations that mirror our conceptual alternative activities, noted environmental recreation and facility specialists, and many more in order to offer a realistic, viable and sustainable objective to all aspects to such operation.

In most cases, and at expense, we have brought these experts up to the area for "first-Hand" visits. It's a hands on project, as it need be a hands on operation.Talk of Management Teams and the offering of many opportunities for employment are somewhat misleading.

Most ski areas out west have for years, required to source employees from other countries. Even here in Manitoba, 2 areas have needed to source a sizable number of employees  for this winter. What does that tell you about the likelihood of a spike in local employment? One need only look down the road to Neepawa and the number of immigrants required to satisfy business there.

You design your operation to be successful with key people and a commited team of employees. The proposed alternative activities are costly to implement, and require experienced and seasoned persons catering to it's guests. In this regard, contract or consignment of several of these activities (ie. horse back riding) is of the most sustainable, and beneficial option for the operation AND the guest.

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 -A ski area is not simply one business. It actually consists of anywhere up to 6 separate major businesses within itself. Now add to the ski area operation the alternate activities to offer it as a 4 season operation. It’s no small task or undertaking. Finally, add that’s it’s in a National Park.

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-(November 29, 2009) Some are under the impression that the Warden Station Gate (at onset of road to ski area) is closed. It is open but you will now encounter a NEW gate about 1 km. before the base of the ski area. It's an easy and beautiful hike in if you want to get a 'first-hand' look.

It wasn’t going to happen overnight and requires informed support.

 

 There will be many more topics added to this page in the coming weeks.

Please stay tuned.

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